When you need a host for the Netherland America Foundation, you call Greg Shapiro: the American Netherlander. I grew up in America first, and I moved to the Netherlands second. The Netherland America Foundation – “NAF” – is a wonderful charity that helps Dutch & American students subsidize their higher education. (As of 2025, it might have to deal with way more US students moving over here…)
For years, New York had the only gala fundraiser! But now the NAF have started organizing galas in the Netherlands. I hosted the first one, in Leiden. In the Pieterskerk (where the Pilgrims came from). There were Dutch royals in attendance. It was all very formal. There were flags and anthems and honor guards. But the main event was the fundraising. And we set a new record! (Mostly because it was the first one.)
In 2024, I was asked to host the NAF gala again. This time the location was on Amsterdam’s Dam Square at the “Industrial Club” – where you still cannot get in without a suit and a tie. Luckily, I had my tuxedo.
I was to host the dinner in a crowded room. A very crowded room. I was told that they had to choose between a stage for me, or extra seats for wealthy money donor people. Actually, it was not a choice. It was a fait accompli. Would I still be willing to do it? I said yes. Charity is the star of the show, not me.
Off the Rails
After dinner, the event relocated to the bar downstairs. The special guest – all the way from Philadelphia – was the legendary soul trio called The Three Degrees! They’re known for their hit songs ‘Dirty Old Man’ (40 years before ‘Me Too’) and ‘When Will I See You Again.’
Backstage, I learned that two of them were originals, and one was a daughter. …sorry: GRANDdaughter. Their hits were in the 70’s and so were these singers. PLUS, they had just flown over from the United States. AND it was almost midnight.
They had a great set! The crowd was loving it. They closed with their hit ‘When Will I See You Again.’ Then I was told to go back onstage and announce an encore. I built up the crowd, I waved my arm, I said “Here they are!” But they did not come back. I laughed out loud. They literally ended on ‘When Will I See You Again?’ The answer is: we will never know.
BUT the good news is: I may be back to host another NAF gala for 2025. As the US / EU alliance is being torn apart, we need organizations like the Netherland America Foundation more than ever.
Greg Shapiro Trump Commentary for Amerika Draait Door Event at De Kleine Komedie (for Europa Draait Door)
event: 12 October, 2024
You may know Dutch journalists Tim de Wit & Arend Jan Boekestijn from their podcast ‘Europa Draait Door.’ (aka Europe is “going crazy.”) In the run-up to the craziest of US elections, they organized a one-off event called ‘Amerika Draait Door,’ aka “America Is Going Crazy.” And they invited me for some comedy commentary. Together with America correspondent Michiel Vos, they predicted it: Trump would win the 2024 election. I predicted Trump would get 20-24 years in prison. (I was wrong.)
The evening began at Amsterdam’s De Kleine Komedie with flags and campaign banners and the journalists’ advice: it’s never safe to bet against Donald Trump. Michiel Vos joined in to agree. Mind you, Michiel Vos is famously married to the daughter of Nancy Pelosi. Apparently he follows the family party line on politics. But boy does he get excited when he talks about Donald Trump’s star quality: “Trump is a bad ass. It’s like the bullets bounce off of him. Americans see him as invincible.” + “Too many Americans are struggling to get by. Living paycheck to paycheck, constantly shocked and upset at hidden costs for every little thing. Americans want a disruptor. They want someone who’s gonna tear it all down if necessary. That’s why they will vote for Donald Trump.”
Greg Goes Against the Grain
The panel predicted a Trump win. Arend-Jan made his prediction by putting on a Make America Great Again hat. (I couldn’t help feeling like that hat will at some point be seen as a symbol of hate. Like, if these guys had to predict “who would win World War II,” he’d be putting on a swastika hat.)
At the end, it was my turn – to make fun of all the candidates. I pointed out that Trump is now older than Joe Biden was when he started as president. Next, I talked about Project 2025 being written by a bunch of religious fanatics. When Dutch people ask me, “Where did they come from?” I say: “You sent them! The Pilgrims, in 1620!”
Dutch people keep asking me, “You don’t really think Trump will be a fascist – ?” And it’s true, the United States has never had fascists take over the country. …But in the Netherlands you have! Not that long ago. Thank goodness it was over quickly – and that’s the best hope I have for the US now.
I ended my bit by giving a fake Trump press conference. Taking questions and giving ridiculous answers. Most answers were simply me repeating Trump’s actual quotes.
I made my prediction by amending the Trump campaign sign from ‘Trump 2024’ to ‘Trump 20- 24’ years in prison. …It was a simpler time.
Of course, no one had thought to discuss the very end of the show. So I dragged everyone up front for a photo op and a big bow.
Full house! Great show. Accurate predictions and accurate title: America is going crazy.
Greg Shapiro in FD Persoonlijk: “I’d Rather be Trump-free Than Wealthy.” 26 September, 2024
Interview: Els Quaegebeur, Photos: Yani (translation: Google)
The American Dutch comedian Greg Shapiro swore never to imitate Donald Trump again. Yet Trump is back, and Shapiro is now back on stage with a Trump show. For him, it helps to have an outlet.
The energy that the Dutch American Greg Shapiro spreads around on stage can also be seen when he’s in his Amsterdam kitchen. Fast talking, alternating between Dutch and English. Often laughing, even in the middle of a sentence. He displays a variety of facial expressions, from cartoonish to ironically amused – even about topics that are clearly going in a serious direction.
Shapiro’s striking Trump imitation – known from the ‘Netherlands Second’ viral video – pops up in conversation as he’s making coffee. Shapiro – who first came to Amsterdam in 1994 to join the Amsterdam-based comedy group Boom Chicago – hoped to be rid of Trump when he stood on stage for a small audience in 2020, due to the corona pandemic. With his solo show Leaving Trumpland. But Trump is back, and now comes the sequel, Leaving Trumpland 2.0: No Country for Old Men.
With the Democrats’ changing of the guard [from Joe Biden to Kamala Harris in July], Shapiro had to adapt and rewrite in a hurry. “Within a few weeks I had to write 60 minutes of new material. Constantly walking around with a voice recorder and a notebook. Trying a lot of material in open mics and self-booked tryouts. And also testing jokes at home.”
He looks at his wife, Inez de Goede (who is also the producer of the show and his tour manager) grinning “just ask her, haha.”
Q: Does Trump also have something that you find admirable?
“Trump is fundamentally an entertainer. You can’t underestimate how much that appeals to American voters. So yes, I give Trump credit for his qualities as basically a Roast Comedian. At an age when most people retire, he reinvented himself as this hateful, political-tirade live act. As a comedian, I recognize a few of his techniques: Storytelling, voice imitation, playing an audience. He is extremely good at it.”
Q: On stage, you’re always busy with Trump as the target, but you’re also an American citizen with the right to vote. How does that affect you?
“As a voter, comedy is a kind of therapy. Even though I’ve lived in the Netherlands for 30 years, I follow the elections closely. It helps to have an outlet, a platform where I’m together with an audience that is also a bit concerned. After a performance, I’ll go out and talk to the folks who saw the show. One guy just told tell me how he heard me doing my Trump imitation, making him look ridiculous – but then realized that’s an actual Trump quote. It helped him realize how insane it would be to put him back in power. That is therapeutic for me.”
Greg Shapiro on Tim Walz in Amsterdam: “Walz for President -?”
Seen at John Adams Institute event 18 February, 2025
What the hell was Minnesota governor Tim Walz doing in Amsterdam at Muziekgebouw aan ’t IJ in February?
Well, apparently it was a trade mission that had been scheduled over a year ago. Since then, Walz became Kamala Harris’ running mate, and they lost. So now we ended up with a Vice President like JD Vance basically declaring war on Europe last Friday.
Tim Walz on JD Vance: “It’s an awkward position. Normally, I’d be overseas supporting my nation’s leadership. But.. boy, you said John Adams Institute is here to ‘promote bright minds from the US?’ Right now it feels like a pretty thin bench.” (…Big laughs!)
(This audience was largely populated by members of Democrats Abroad – unlike his Monday night event, where he was reportedly much more reserved.)
Walz added:“Now when I visit the Anne Frank House, it feels less like a historical experience – more like a cautionary experience.” And Walz deftly pivoted back to trade: “If you don’t like where Trump is headed, make more business deals with Democrat governors. It really hits him where it hurts.”
What would Tim Walz do differently?
PART ONE of the interview was Laila Frank on US POLITICS. Her first question: “Why did you lose?”
Walz gave three reasons:
It was too quick / he was too green. “I should NOT have taken the bait to talk about dogs & cats & immigration.”
‘Balkanization of media’ + dominance of right-wing media. “But that’s my job as a teacher, I didn’t do a good enough job explaining.” (This includes the people onstage. Though Walz has explained his name is pronounced like the plural of Wall, everyone called him Waltz.) (Also, when Laila Frank mentioned Tim Walz to her Democrat friends in Philadelphia, their first response was “Who’s that again?”)
Yes, the economy. Too many people have been hurting for too long, and the Democrats have been too timid. “I don’t understand this tendency to portion out your power. Burn through it all as soon as you can! Show people you’ll do anything to improve their lives.” Example: Obamacare. “Yes, Obamacare was better, but it’s nowhere near good enough. We need Universal Health Care. Say it!”
Q: “It’s been a month of Trump in power. Where are the Democrats?”
Walz: “Amsterdam.” (Huge laugh)
Walz said he’d just met with some Dutch members of Parliament earlier. He envies the idea of a Shadow Government: “Every time a plane crashes, I want to see a press conference with Pete Buttigieg saying ‘Here’s what they’re doing wrong. Here’s how we’d be better.’ The Republicans: they tell you ‘government doesn’t work,’ then they get into power and prove it.”
Q: “Is there a crisis of masculinity in America? What should Democrats do?”
Walz: “Provide for them. Too many men feel left behind.But also provide for women. There’s a reason the Republicans called me ‘Tampon Tim’ – for providing menstrual products for women and girls in our schools. We are the ones providing for women. …Plus, every time I’d go on a Congressional hunting trip, I could shoot better than any of them.” Hence: Use their weakness against them. “Then again, I was just giving some advice to my son – he’s now 18. And he replied ‘…says the man who lost to Donald Trump.’ So, yeah that’s fair.”
Is Walz campaigning for something?
PART TWO was Anne van Zoest on FOREIGN POLICY. First question: “What if US drops out of NATO?”
Walz: “I hate to sound like Trump, but you might want to step up your military spending. Because the rate we’re going those aircraft carriers might not be there.”
Q: “What does a new world order look like without the USA there?”
“They’re exporting oligarchy. (hey, at least people know now what that means.) It’s not very popular.”
Walz on the EU Paris Summit: he said he was shocked that EU leaders weren’t more decisive on Ukraine. “We need action. Look at Canada. When Trump threatened tariffs, they pulled Kentucky whisky off their shelves. To punish red states specifically. It worked.”
Q: “What will the Middle East look like?”
Walz: “I continue to believe in a 2-state solution. But now that Trump announced his plans to turn Gaza into ‘Trump Plaza,’ I’d expect more outrage. But there’s been silence in the Arab world. And the EU for that matter. Maybe I’m stuck in the past. I really don’t know.”
Q: “Governor Walz or Senator Walz?”
Walz: “If I could help form a more united front in DC, I could see that. But for now – as Governor, I can be more consequential in one day than I was for 12 years in Congress. Yes, there will be midterm elections, and my expectation is most folks will realize Trump and the Republicans do NOT have their backs. But even this coming November, look at the governor’s race in Virginia. That will tell you a lot.”
Meanwhile, Laila Frank reports that Walz was heard backstage saying, “I’ve been tryout out that line.” Is that what you say on a trade mission? Or more like what you say when you’re campaigning?
Greg Shapiro Comments on new US tv show ‘Going Dutch’ – for RTL ‘Editie NL‘
31 January, 2025
It was a Thursday when my wife informed me there’s a new TV show in America called ‘Going Dutch,’ about a US Army colonel who’s punished by being sent to the least important army base in the world – in the Netherlands.
On Friday morning I got a phone call from Dutch news show to ask if I would want to comment on some clips from the show. I said yes!
I started watching a clip of the first episode. It opens on a graphic saying ‘Camp Stroopsdorf.’ Fun fact: dorf is German; Dutch is dorp. Right away I could tell: “They don’t know the Netherlands.”
As it turns out, there IS one US Army base in Limburg, right next to the German border. And it is tiny! Wouldn’t it be fun to set a tv show there and investigate the subtle quirks of Dutch culture? OR – just trot out the usual stereotypes and get half wrong?
Yes, we open on a flat terrain (typically Dutch). There are people playing frisbee (not typically Dutch). There are people on bikes, there are windmills, and there are tulips – which appear to be added by CGI. When the Colonel inspects the base, he comes across a communal lack of respect for authority. This trait might be the most accurate depiction of Dutch culture so far.
Then the Colonel confronts a young man playing a video game in the recreation center. He says “I like the medals on your uniform” – in a comically German accent.
That Ted Lasso Feeling
The whole thing makes me think of the Ted Lasso formula. It’s a classic ‘fish out of water’ set-up. In fact Ted Lasso featured a whole episode that took place in Amsterdam… But they really came to Amsterdam to tape it. And the creator of the show, Brendan Hunt, really lived in Amsterdam for five years. And he worked with us at Boom Chicago.
Even Quentin Tarantino – when he wrote that scene in Pulp Fiction about Amsterdam and the hash bars and the ‘Royale with Cheese’ – Tarantino came to Amsterdam to do his research.
I don’t know who’s writing this show Going Dutch for FOX channel in America. But if you get a season 2, please come over and I’ll show you around.
Fascism Expert Timothy Snyder Speaks in Amsterdam, and I Ask Him a Question
Friday, 24 January, 2025
Timothy Snyder was hosted by the John Adams Institute at the Dominicuskerk Amsterdam
A Fascism expert. What better way to celebrate the second inauguration of Donald Trump?
US author & professor Timothy Snyder spoke in Amsterdam on “Imagining and Designing a Better America.”
(Maybe he was talking about somewhere else in North America.)
Timothy Snyder is best known for his book On Tyranny, which describes how democracies die. His phrase “do not obey in advance” has been trending on social media since Election Day 2024. Snyder: “I wish my book was NOT a best-seller right now.”
One Snyder line that stuck with me: “Oligarchs have more in common with each other than they do with their own people.” Hence Trump’s first foreign leader invite was to Netanhayu. And Trump’s first Big Phone Call was to Putin. To coordinate the heist.
Snyder’s new book is On Freedom, which he’s promoting now. He said he wanted to ask the question: “What is it that makes a Trump possible?” His answer: the US has the wrong idea of freedom. There’s “The Freedom TO”vs. “The Freedom FROM”.
-The Freedom TO is referenced in the US Declaration of Independence: “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” Positive Freedom.
-The Freedom FROM is negative. It comes from a place of entitlement and blame. “If not for X, then you would be free. (And only I can fix it.)” Negative Freedom.
The Four Freedoms
Unfortunately for Snyder, someone in the audience brought up the famous “Four Freedoms” of Franklin Roosevelt. (The freedom of speech, the freedom of worship, the freedom FROM hunger and the freedom FROM fear.) Snyder argues that it’s semantics, and the first two freedoms define the four, and they’re primarily about the freedom TO exercise your own free will.
The US Republican party promises the freedom FROM: immigrants; woke culture; and… the government itself. Ronald Reagan was charismatic and indeed a great communicator, when he said “the nine most frightening words in the English language are ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” Snyder argues that Donald Trump also is intelligent & charismatic & good at politics. And a fascist.
Interesting point from Snyder: any time the term freedom is applied to an object – it implies authoritarianism. The term “free market” = you humans have the duty to NOT intervene.
Another interesting point: Negative freedom empowers people to abandon empathy. Fascism relies on lack of human empathy.
Someone from the audience asked “here you are in Amsterdam with a liberal audience. Aren’t you just preaching to the choir?” Snyder argues that “Preaching to the Choir” is 100% good! It’s empowering to hear friends & neighbors make their case. And it helps encourage human empathy.
My question for the Timothy Snyder Q & A:
“I was thinking of the quote from Pres. Theodore Roosevelt, about the ‘pleasant falsehood vs the unpleasant truth.’ And negative freedom seems to be doing a good job of promoting the pleasant falsehood! But does there come a point when the unpleasant truth becomes unavoidable? Like in America? Basically, you’ve studied a lot of democracies slipping into dictatorship… can you tell us what happens next?”
Snyder answered that “More Negative freedom will lead to people being less free. At some point, Negative freedom will crash out.”
Snyder predicts Trump will experience extreme unpopularity, starting 6-12 months into this term.
I hope he’s right.
(Seen on November 3, 2024, Boom Chicago, Amsterdam)
If Dutch voters would have their way, Kamala Harris would win the White House with a huge victory. Unfortunately, the Americans are in charge, and the Boom Chicago duo Pep Rosenfeld and Greg Shapiro are not reassured. It does make for a sweat-inducingly funny show.
Tuesday night, there will be tears of joy or sorrow at Boom Chicago. At 8 o’clock, Rosenfeld and Shapiro will first play their show in the former Rozentheater. And then, with the support of the international organization Democrats Abroad, the scores will be updated and commented on with clenched buttocks until well after midnight. At 4 o’clock in the morning, a victory or consolation breakfast will be served.
The ‘Election Edition’ of Pep and Greg Politically Incorrect will continue after the presidential election, but it remains to be seen in what atmosphere the ‘Post-Election Roundup Edition’ will be played. Rosenfeld and Shapiro are among the first Boom Chicago comedians and have experienced many presidential elections since the improv comedy company was founded in 1993. But the tension in the group has never been so great, now that Trump’s plans involve a real attack on democracy. Four years of Trump in the White House has yielded an overwhelming amount of satire. And in the minutes before the start of the show we are treated to a wonderful compilation of anti-Trump humor on the big screen. However, the question is whether there will be much to laugh about for America’s Democrats if Trump gets a second term.
Impressively Researched Piece
Rosenfeld and Shapiro’s election show is full of this doubt. In an impressively researched piece, we see that the Republicans have spent decades making it as difficult as possible for Democrats to vote. Also very strong and convincing is the game show Spot the Truth – with audience participation. In a witty and funny way, they show that even a well-informed citizen can no longer distinguish the truth from the fake. And in this shadowy area Trump is a great magician.
As usual with Boom Chicago, the scripted parts of the show are very good, also this time around. However, it is always a question of how the improvisations will go. These parts are not always as strong – but due to the enormous energy of Shapiro and Rosenfeld, they never fall too flat.
The ‘Second Harris-Trump Debate’ – which in reality never happened because Trump was afraid of being thrashed again – was the highlight of the evening. Rosenfeld and Shapiro proved to be absolute masters in answering questions from the audience. Shapiro not only controls Trump’s voice and intonation, but he also spouts the authentically dangerous nonsense that could only come from the mouth of the convicted liar.
And yet – as they mentioned at the beginning of the show – Dutch people maybe should not be so arrogant towards the Americans, because with ‘the blond leader of the PVV (Partij Vreemdelingen Verböden)’ we have our own Trump-wannabe currently in power.
Dutch American Comedian Greg Shapiro PLAYBOY INTERVIEW – 20 Questions with the American Netherlander
28 October, 2024
This past summer, I got interviewed by the Dutch Playboy Magazine for my solo show LEAVING TRUMPLAND 2.0: No Country for Old Men. Here is an excerpt. Interview by Femke Zijlema
When did you discover that you can imitate Trumps voice so well?
Yeah, why am I blessed with the voice of a man who is so bad for society? Back in 2016 at Boom Chicago, we did a show called Trump Up the Volume. We’d thought that I would imitate Hillary & my partner Pep Rosenfeld would do Trump. But Hillary reminded Pep of his mother, so he wanted to try her. As soon as I became Trump I guess something magical happened, I heard it myself. In 2018 I was in Theater Carré for the 25th anniversary of Boom Chicago – with Arjen Lubach doing a Q & A on stage, and I answered as Trump. Arjen said “it’s like Trump is here.” Weird.
Are you familiar with ADHD?
Everyone who has ever worked with me, they know that my brain is all over the place all the time. It’s been this way my whole life, but I’ve never been officially diagnosed with ADD or anything. Oddly enough this condition seems to help my brain improvise as Trump. Last year my colleague former colleague outed me as neurodivergent on stage. And it was Seth Meyers. Someone asked him what he remembers about his first day in Amsterdam in 1997. He said “I remember this guy Greg Shapiro picked me up from the airport, and he was supposed to give me a crash course in living and working in Amsterdam. But while he was good at telling me the first half of everything I needed to know, by the second half he would get distracted and talk about something totally different.”
What’s your connection to Playboy?
Playboy has its roots in my hometown of Chicago. I never was into nudie pics in Playboy magazine, but everyone knew that Hugh Hefner had his mansion on the Gold Coast. And his Playboy tower still stands right there by Oak St. Beach. Back in the day, my dad was a photographer, and he was invited to one of the parties at Hefner‘s mansion. Back in the 80s, when you would think I’d be looking at the magazine for the pictures, I was already aware that there was also comedy, essays. Comedians were getting hired to write for that magazine.
Home is?
Amsterdam. America not really.
Is your family in America already making plans to migrate?
When I first moved over here, my family kept asking, “when are you coming back to the United States?” Now that Donald Trump might become President again, they’re asking, “what is life like in the Netherlands? Is it affordable? Is there enough housing?” I tell them: “No! ‘Full is full’!”
Dutch American Comedian Greg Shapiro Premières in De Kleine Komedie Amsterdam
21 October, 2024
In Amsterdam it’s nice to see your name in lights, but it’s even nicer to see your name on the sign at the theater called De Kleine Komedie.
With the help of Impact Entertainment, I was able to perform the premiere of my 2024 US election show LEAVING TRUMPLAND 2.0: No Country for Old Men.
Would I be prepared? I wasn’t sure… We had only done four tryout performances so far – as well as bits and pieces at various open mic night and standup stages.
I performed Leaving Trumpland 1.0 for the US election in 2020. Unfortunately, not many people saw that show – because it was in the middle of Covid. Remember when you could only perform for 30 or 100 max at a time? And half the shows were canceled before that. My tour booker said, “the reviews were so good! Why don’t you just do a reprise of your 2020 show for the US election 2024?” I said “don’t be ridiculous! That would require the exact same to candidates four years ago. What are the odds of that happening?” …And yet for most of this year, that’s what we had. Biden vs Trump: the rematch. Because they both aged so gracefully.
But then Joe Biden dropped out, Thank the Almighty! …And I had to rewrite almost the entire show. WORTH IT.
Leaving Trumpland 1.0 was my sixth solo show. But with Leaving Trumpland 2.0, I can honestly say since it’s 90% new, it is my seventh solo show.
We had a full house for a Monday night. We even had a second balcony! The theater director was happy, the programmer was happy. My theater booker was happy. The audience was great.
Afterward, I made sure to grab a pose with my director, Michael Diederich…
…and my producer/wife Inez De Goede.
Thanks for the excellent photos from Jelle Draper.
Greg Shapiro Interviewed by Ivo Niehe on ‘Ivo op Zondag,’ 2023
18 October, 2024
In 2023 – for the 30th anniversary of Boom Chicago – Dutch TV legend Ivo Niehe interviewed me about ‘Pep & Greg POLITICALLY INCORRECT.’ It’s a show about the upcoming Dutch – and American – elections. (Recorded in Nov, 2023)
The interview starts out with some photos from the Boom Chicago 30 year anniversary, featuring famous alumni such as Seth Meyers, Jordan Peele and Jason Sudeikis: “and they all learned from the veteran improviser Greg Shapiro.”
Ivo: “Greg, after so many years of blood, sweat and tears- is it annoying that people only want to talk about that video, the ‘Netherlands Second’ video?”
Greg: “No problem. I realize that will probably be my epitaph, on my gravestone.”
Ivo: “You’ve lived in different countries. But you stayed here for love?”
Greg: “Came for work, stayed for love. Yes.”
Ivo: “You’re ‘The American Netherlander.’ How Dutch are you, how American are you?”
Greg: “I’ve now lived in the Netherlands longer than I lived in the US. …I realize I spoke part of that answer in Dutch.”
Ivo: “I know, you’ve said you don’t like speaking the Dutch language.”
Greg: “It makes my mouth feel sad.”
Ivo: “Beautiful language, the Dutch language.”
Greg: “Yes! It just flows right off the back of the throat. When your brain tells you ‘I think we’re choking to death,’ then that’s when you’ve nailed it, the pronunciation.”
Ivo: “Is it still possible to be politically incorrect?”
Greg: “When we say ‘politically incorrect,’ Pep and I – we’ve been writing comedy together since we were 17 – we mean we think politics are being done incorrectly. That’s what our show is about.”
Ivo: “What did you mean when you talked about ‘who counts the votes?’”
Greg: “We were referring to Trump’s Republican party. To them, it doesn’t matter how many people vote for which candidate. It matters what happens afterward. They’re inspired by the quote “It’s not who votes that counts. It’s who counts the votes.”
Ivo: “And who said that?”
Greg: “Josef Stalin.”
